A truly terrible job might save your life — but a tolerable one can steal it. Jonathan Doyle on Harvard professor Dan Gilbert’s research into “the peculiar longevity of things not so bad”: we escape awful situations fast, but stay stuck in mildly bad ones for decades, because they never hurt enough to trigger change. From a Qantas crew member who refused to settle, to the tolerable marriage, the okay job, the suboptimal health nobody addresses — and the audit question that cuts through all of it: where is your life mildly bad?
“The danger you face in life is actually not rock bottom. The real danger is comfortable enough.”
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Well, hello there, my friend.
Speaker:Jonathan Doyle with you.
Speaker:Welcome to The Daily Podcast.
Speaker:Can I suggest to you that a truly terrible job might save your life?
Speaker:But a tolerable one can steal it.
Speaker:A truly terrible job may save your life.
Speaker:How would that be possible?
Speaker:And a tolerable one can steal it.
Speaker:This is gonna be a really interesting episode.
Speaker:This is an episode about what you are prepared to tolerate, and how what
Speaker:you are prepared to tolerate could cost you way more than a crisis.
Speaker:Seems a little counterintuitive, doesn't it?
Speaker:We think that a crisis is dramatic and terrible, and indeed it can be.
Speaker:But in this episode, I want to explain to you that settling for mild discomfort
Speaker:can, in the long run, be much more dangerous to you than a sudden crisis.
Speaker:I wanna share with you some interesting research from, uh, Professor Dan
Speaker:Gilbert at Harvard, and they did a whole bunch of really interesting research
Speaker:that suggests that we escape awful situations fast, but we stay stuck in
Speaker:mildly bad ones for decades because they never hurt enough to trigger change.
Speaker:We escape awful situations fast.
Speaker:If your house is on fire, you don't tend to sit there and go, "Well, let's just
Speaker:see how this goes. Let's just see how bad this gets." If your house is on fire
Speaker:or if a doctor suddenly tells you that there is some absolutely terrible health
Speaker:crisis, you tend to act pretty quickly.
Speaker:We're not, uh… We don't struggle with that as humans.
Speaker:But what this research suggests is that we will stay stuck in mildly bad
Speaker:situations for decades because they never hurt enough to trigger change.
Speaker:I was flying back from a speaking engagement yesterday, and I had my
Speaker:favorite seat, and I'm thinking to myself, "This is great. There's no one next to
Speaker:me. This is gonna be a great flight."
Speaker:And then all of a sudden, right there, there was a, uh, crew member from
Speaker:Qantas who was transferring to another flight, and they had to sit next to me.
Speaker:And I thank God for that, because we had a fantastic conversation, and she
Speaker:was telling me all about how long she's been doing and what she loves about it.
Speaker:It was a really interesting conversation.
Speaker:But one of the things that came up for her was she just-- I said, "So why did
Speaker:you choose this?" You know, "What did you do before this?" And she said, "Oh,
Speaker:you know, I was in retail, and I was just working in these stores." And,
Speaker:and she goes, "I didn't wanna spend the rest of my life just going to a
Speaker:desk and doing something that I hated."
Speaker:And the passion in her voice was so interesting.
Speaker:I love people like that and conversations like that, because she
Speaker:was not prepared to tolerate what she didn't want for decades to come.
Speaker:I'm not criticizing anybody that has a desk job.
Speaker:Some people can have a desk job and absolutely love it, but she had enough
Speaker:self-awareness to know that if she chose the easier, perhaps less interesting
Speaker:path and just turned up every single day doing the same thing, she'd be miserable.
Speaker:So she kinda realized to her credit that it was important not to settle for
Speaker:things that are mildly uncomfortable.
Speaker:So there's a lot of ways this could play out.
Speaker:You know, you can imagine being in a, in a tolerable marriage.
Speaker:I often think about the day that people get married.
Speaker:You know, they're like, you see them up there, and everyone's smiling.
Speaker:I mean, you very rarely see someone on their wedding day looking absolutely
Speaker:miserable, thinking, "This is the dumbest decision I ever made." You don't see that.
Speaker:You see this expectation, and this happiness, and this joy, and then sure
Speaker:enough, the challenges of modern life set in, and time passes, and people can
Speaker:end up really disconnected from that joy, and passion, and intimacy that first
Speaker:connected them, and they settle, right?
Speaker:And I'm not judging anybody.
Speaker:Relationships are difficult.
Speaker:All sorts of things can happen over the long journey of life.
Speaker:But it is very possible for us, even in intimate, precious, special
Speaker:relationships, just to settle.
Speaker:And think about how many people settle in terms of career.
Speaker:And again, I wanna say this sensitively, because we all pay the bills, right?
Speaker:Some of us don't often easily get the choice to follow our absolute passions,
Speaker:though I actually think there is a great deal we can do in that area.
Speaker:But can we agree that many people settle?
Speaker:They're just like, "Eh, it's okay. It's not terrible. It's not, it's
Speaker:not awful." I mean, do you think God put us on the Earth to be not in…
Speaker:Like, you know, to tolerate misery for extended periods of time?
Speaker:Yes, we can endure suffering.
Speaker:Yes, we can endure hard times.
Speaker:But do you think that you are here just to settle for mildly
Speaker:awful over a long period of time?
Speaker:Or think about it in the area of your health, right?
Speaker:How many people in the areas of their health kind of just settle?
Speaker:They're like, "Oh, you know, this is okay. This is just…" Uh, Karen and I were at,
Speaker:uh, we were at the MCG on Saturday night.
Speaker:We had 84,000 people there.
Speaker:And we both noticed a guy sitting a couple of rows down, and I'm gonna
Speaker:say this so nicely, 'cause I know some of you will think I'm being
Speaker:judgmental, and I don't know his story, but he, he just looked so unwell.
Speaker:Not unwell in the sense of there was some obvious serious illness,
Speaker:but he just looked really unhealthy.
Speaker:His skin, his, his, his everything.
Speaker:He just looked like he had fully surrendered.
Speaker:And again, uh, please understand I'm not judging him.
Speaker:I don't know his story.
Speaker:I don't know what might have led to that.
Speaker:But he looked like somebody who had just decided to settle, that this is how,
Speaker:what it's gonna be, and my health's gonna be like this, and it really stood out.
Speaker:And that, uh, it's very possible just to go, "Well, I'm not in, you know,
Speaker:serious risk of imminent death, so I'll just tolerate my low energy and my low
Speaker:health and feeling pretty rubbish all the time, and waking up in the mornings
Speaker:and feeling suboptimal." One of my favorite words at the moment, suboptimal.
Speaker:You see, because in terms of your health, if you have, like, sudden chronic pain,
Speaker:you kinda like, y- your whole system goes, something serious has just happened,
Speaker:and you go and get help for that.
Speaker:I mean, my last bike crash, as soon as I hit the road, I'm like,
Speaker:"Yeah, this ain't good." I kind of … It was no negotiation there.
Speaker:There was no like, "No, I'll be fine.
Speaker:I'm just gonna, just gonna walk this off." I was like, "No, hospital,
Speaker:please." So pain, dramatic pain, focuses our attention remarkably.
Speaker:But that twinge or that feeling of s- illness and sickness and low health that
Speaker:we can settle for, that can go on for long periods of time, slowly stealing
Speaker:our capacity and energy along the way.
Speaker:And here's another thing to think about as we talk about the risk of settling for
Speaker:not awful, is that isn't it interesting to note that certain people hit rock
Speaker:bottom and make fascinating, dramatic change, and yet other people can
Speaker:never hit rock bottom, but just drift along in this sort of plateau of okay?
Speaker:You see, if you hit rock bottom, if you have times in your life when things
Speaker:are really hard and difficult and, and you're truly confronted by your
Speaker:choices and things that have happened to you, then that's dramatic, and that's
Speaker:noticeable, and that yells at you.
Speaker:And if it's not you yelling at you, if you hit rock bottom, there's
Speaker:usually a few people around you going, "Uh, we need to talk."
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:So that, it focuses our attention, whereas the plateau of okay means
Speaker:that we don't face a crisis, and we just endure and put up with the cir-
Speaker:circumstance or situation indefinitely.
Speaker:So I've definitely done it.
Speaker:I can think of one long season in my life where I just put up with mediocre,
Speaker:suboptimal outcomes for myself.
Speaker:And the thing that you'll find is when you're doing that,
Speaker:you will explain it away.
Speaker:You will find, if you know that you are way under your performance and
Speaker:you're tolerating things that make you really unhappy, you will know.
Speaker:And usually what happens is you construct a whole architecture of reasons why
Speaker:there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker:I did this with one of my kids recently.
Speaker:I just, over a period of a few long conversations, I said, "Look, you, you
Speaker:have to stop any complaining." And I spoke yesterday at this, uh, at this conference,
Speaker:and I kinda said that to the people there.
Speaker:I said, "You have to take full responsibility. You just, you
Speaker:can't tolerate excuses and blame."
Speaker:Yes, difficult things may have happened.
Speaker:Yes, you've got challenges and problems, but what are you gonna do next?
Speaker:Because a disaster will focus your attention, but tolerable can endure
Speaker:for a very long period of time.
Speaker:So I wanna ask you, if I was gonna ask you to audit your life at the
Speaker:moment, here's an interesting question: Where is your life mildly bad?
Speaker:Just mildly bad.
Speaker:Just like, just bad enough to be obvious to you, yet you're kind of not putting
Speaker:it at the top of your to-do list.
Speaker:That you'll just tolerate.
Speaker:You'll just kind of go, "Oh well, this is how it is," and it's too much
Speaker:effort and work to really change it.
Speaker:You see, my friend, if you want a different life, you have to
Speaker:take this radical responsibility.
Speaker:You have to go, "I am going to be the person responsible for the
Speaker:outcomes that I am experiencing.
Speaker:Yes, I live in an, in an environment.
Speaker:Yes, there are other people in it.
Speaker:Yes, there are some things that I can't fully control.
Speaker:But all the things that I can control, my sleep, my attitude, my language,
Speaker:my disciplines, my processes, my food, my exercise, all these things
Speaker:that I can control, I will no longer permit them to be tolerably bad.
Speaker:I'm going to make them excellent." I had a meeting today with somebody
Speaker:that I was coaching, and one of the points I made was we were talking
Speaker:about kind of the ability to reframe the meaning of life experiences.
Speaker:It's an incredibly powerful thing.
Speaker:Love to do a whole episode on that for you soon.
Speaker:But the human ability to go through difficulty and provide
Speaker:different meanings to ourselves.
Speaker:And the point that I made to them was I genuinely think
Speaker:this is a one percenter skill.
Speaker:Like, not even one percenter.
Speaker:Like, most people, if you explain to them, "Look, you can choose
Speaker:the meanings that you face when difficult things happen," most people
Speaker:are gonna go, "That's ridiculous.
Speaker:You can't.
Speaker:Bad things happen.
Speaker:You have to accept them.
Speaker:You can't change the meaning and just talk yourself out of it."
Speaker:Well, I actually think you can.
Speaker:I genuinely do.
Speaker:I think when the most difficult things happen, you can actually hunt and
Speaker:find and develop empowering meanings.
Speaker:But my point really in that conversation was to try and help this person realize
Speaker:that there are behaviors and beliefs and processes that a very small percentage
Speaker:of the population follow, and this idea of celebrating for tolerable unhappiness
Speaker:is what large numbers of people do.
Speaker:It's that old story of the frog in the boiling water, right?
Speaker:You put him in cold water and slowly turn that heat up.
Speaker:They don't really notice until it's too late.
Speaker:But if you're tolerating something in your life that could be slowly creating a huge
Speaker:problem for you, you need to change that.
Speaker:You know, termites are not a problem in a house the first day they show up, right?
Speaker:It's not like a termite, the first termite lands in your woodwork, and
Speaker:then the house falls down the next day.
Speaker:It's literally that this thing ticks away.
Speaker:It's, it's a long process.
Speaker:So you're better off making a decision to get after these
Speaker:things as early as possible.
Speaker:Okay?
Speaker:So can I give you a quote from Gilbert's research at Harvard?
Speaker:There's a really interesting phraseology they use, where they say they call it the
Speaker:peculiar longevity of things not so bad.
Speaker:The peculiar longevity of things not so bad.
Speaker:It's so interesting that language, the, the, the longevity of it, that
Speaker:you can, you can let this stuff run for years if it's not so bad.
Speaker:But I don't think the key to the life that you really want is based
Speaker:along the highway of not so bad.
Speaker:It's on the path of taking responsibility and making significant change.
Speaker:All right?
Speaker:So if I could give you a final thought, I would suggest that the danger you face
Speaker:in life is actually not rock bottom.
Speaker:The real danger is comfortable enough.
Speaker:The real danger isn't rock bottom.
Speaker:The real danger is comfortable enough.
Speaker:The real danger is that you just get, "It's, it's okay.
Speaker:It, it's all right.
Speaker:What I eat's all right.
Speaker:The quality of my intimate relationships are all right.
Speaker:My job, it's all right.
Speaker:My kids, they're all right.
Speaker:My fitness, yeah, it's okay." Because at the end of your life, like, are you gonna
Speaker:be happy with all right and okay instead of spectacular, remarkable, unbelievable?
Speaker:Why not have those words describing the end of your life?
Speaker:Okay, so have we got this?
Speaker:Have we got the summary here, which is just the research shows us that people,
Speaker:it is, uh, that real pain can save your life because it focuses your attention.
Speaker:But a tolerable life, a tolerable, difficult situation that's just, just
Speaker:not quite bad enough to really focus you, that can steal your life because
Speaker:it will just, just, just keep tripping along each day, month after month, year
Speaker:after year, and it never gets addressed.
Speaker:So to finish, as I said a moment ago, if we were gonna audit your life, what is the
Speaker:thing that you would say is mildly bad?
Speaker:And what do you need to do to begin to make that significant change?
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Speaker:All right, my friend, one more time, remember that the
Speaker:danger is not rock bottom.
Speaker:The danger is comfortable enough.
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