What if talent is the myth that’s letting you off the hook? Jonathan Doyle on Daniel Chambliss’s famous study of elite Olympic swimmers — years embedded with the best in the world, searching for the talent magic and finding none. What he found instead: “Superlative performance is really a confluence of dozens of small skills or activities drilled into habit and fitted together in a synthesized whole.” From Aristotle’s arete (excellence as habit) to Greene’s Mastery, a golf lesson, and a decade of 40,000 people a year on the road: excellence isn’t quantitative, it’s qualitative — and it’s mundane. Stop looking for the secret. There isn’t one.
“Whatever gift you’ve been given — when you are living in your gift, you bless people, you bless the world.”
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Well, hello there, my friend.
Speaker:Jonathan Doyle with you.
Speaker:Welcome once again to The Daily Podcast.
Speaker:As always, I'm pleased you're here.
Speaker:Some really great content this week.
Speaker:I'm enjoying these episodes because when the content is good, I learn
Speaker:as, just as much as anybody.
Speaker:I've been in this game a long time, and the cool thing about doing this week's
Speaker:content is that the things that we're covering, when I study them and share
Speaker:them with you, I know that they are real, that they're accurate, that they
Speaker:actually work, 'cause I've had long enough now to kinda test so many of, of
Speaker:these ideas in the laboratory of life.
Speaker:If you missed yesterday's episode, we talked about the fact that when things
Speaker:are really terrible, they'll force you to act, but if they're not so terrible,
Speaker:if they're just kind of a little bit bad, we tend to put up with stuff for ages.
Speaker:That was a really interesting insight for a lot of people, that sometimes
Speaker:when things are just a little bit awkward and unpleasant, you'll just
Speaker:put up with them for way too long.
Speaker:So I suggested yesterday that you do an audit of your life and look for
Speaker:things that are just a little bit bad, just a little bit off, because those
Speaker:are the areas where if you change them, you can see significant gain.
Speaker:Today, we wanna talk about the mundanity of excellence.
Speaker:The mundanity of excellence.
Speaker:This is a topic I've been talking about for several weeks now, since I
Speaker:finished Robert Greene's book, Mastery.
Speaker:That book, as I said at the time when I did some episodes
Speaker:on it, it's a tough read.
Speaker:It's 300 odd pages, and there's a fair bit of repetition in there, but the
Speaker:most powerful message of that book on mastery, if you, if I haven't mentioned
Speaker:it to you before, you haven't heard me talk about it, it's kind of a, a long
Speaker:historical study of some of the most influential figures in history and
Speaker:whether or not talent kind of exists.
Speaker:And today is gonna pick up on that because what we found in Robert
Speaker:Greene's book, Mastery, was that talent really doesn't exist.
Speaker:What I was teaching people recently at an event was aptitude
Speaker:exists, an interest in something.
Speaker:We have an aptitude or a kind of a proficiency or a
Speaker:comfort doing a certain thing.
Speaker:It might be public speaking or investment or car mechanics.
Speaker:We've all got different things that from childhood we naturally
Speaker:kind of had aptitude for.
Speaker:And then in Greene's thesis, we go from that to mastery via the path of obsession.
Speaker:So you start with an aptitude and interest, and then what we get
Speaker:is obsession, a complete focus, and really channeling the entire
Speaker:life project towards the aptitude.
Speaker:And then after, you know, X number of years, people go, "Wow, look at this
Speaker:talent." And I'm really fascinated by this because I actually think talent gives most
Speaker:of us a… It lets us off the hook, right?
Speaker:You don't have to be amazing because you might tell yourself you don't
Speaker:have the talent of someone else.
Speaker:You might see somebody doing something and you think, "Wow, they're
Speaker:so talented," and we don't try.
Speaker:Like, a lot of times people just don't, uh, just assume that talent is
Speaker:this mythical beast that's out there somewhere, and if you weren't born with
Speaker:this myth- mythical pixie dust thing that got dropped on your life, then
Speaker:you're kinda stuck with mediocrity.
Speaker:But I want to encourage you today that that is not what the data bears out.
Speaker:What the data bears out is a very different story, and in today's
Speaker:episode, we're touching on this thing called the mundanity of excellence.
Speaker:You know, that when something's mundane, it is not surprising.
Speaker:It is pedestrian.
Speaker:It is day in, day out.
Speaker:It's something that just happens over and over again.
Speaker:And what's great about these ideas again is that they're ancient.
Speaker:I'm gonna do an episode for you in a couple of days where I'm actually
Speaker:gonna talk about that a bit more, how when you hear about the next big
Speaker:thing, you should probably ignore it because the really great ideas
Speaker:have been with us for a long time.
Speaker:And as we talk about the mundanity of excellence, we can go back to Aristotle
Speaker:in the fifth century BC, who famously said that, you know, we become what we do.
Speaker:Ax- uh, excellence therefore, arete in the Greek, excellence therefore, Aristotle
Speaker:says, is a habit, that excellence comes from doing specific things day in, day
Speaker:out, time after time, and repeating them.
Speaker:So today, I'm gonna just draw your attention to some fascinating research
Speaker:by a guy called Daniel Chambliss or Chambliss, who was embedded for many
Speaker:years with elite Olympic athletes and spent ages studying them, trying to
Speaker:understand this mythical beast of talent.
Speaker:And what he discovered, there was no talent magic anywhere.
Speaker:There was dozens of small, I'm reading to you now from the research, dozens of
Speaker:small ordinary skills, each learned or stumbled on, stacked and synchronized.
Speaker:So what he discovered, he probably went in there like most of us expecting, wow,
Speaker:these are these, these genetic freaks.
Speaker:And let's be honest, there's, in, in something like Olympic sports,
Speaker:particularly swimming, which was Chambliss' focus, you know, there is
Speaker:a genetic component like, you know, this is the aptitude piece, right?
Speaker:If you're five foot nothing and, uh, you don't have big hands
Speaker:and feet, then Olympic swimming is probably not ideal for you.
Speaker:But genetically, if you're kind of 6'4" and you've got big hands and
Speaker:feet and you've got a big engine, then they're your basics, right?
Speaker:That's the aptitude piece.
Speaker:That's the proficiency piece, the kind of genetics that got handed to you.
Speaker:But what he discovers in the research is that, yeah, that's the baseline.
Speaker:But what he actually discovers then is these tiny, unique habits.
Speaker:And he discovered that it wasn't just… He sort of, he, he
Speaker:concluded that excellence wasn't quantitative, it was qualitative.
Speaker:So it wasn't simply a case of these people just worked harder and did
Speaker:more and went on and just that, you know, more quantity, right?
Speaker:What he discovered was that their processes were of a very high quality,
Speaker:so that when they discovered particular training habits and p- training
Speaker:hacks, they just kept doing them.
Speaker:So I play a lot of golf, and my handicap's pretty low, and I had a lesson again
Speaker:recently, and there was just this simple process that the, that my coach was
Speaker:taking me through, which, you know, it, it just hadn't occurred to me before,
Speaker:and he kinda helped me understand it, and it was a qualitative improvement.
Speaker:And then I just began to repeat that qualitative improvement for
Speaker:the days and weeks afterwards, and you get a significant benefit.
Speaker:And people look at you and go, "Wow, you're really hitting it well." And
Speaker:I go, "Well, yeah, but it's, it's a series of stacked skills." It's not
Speaker:that I'm talented, it's that I learned basic movement patterns and then a whole
Speaker:bunch of other practice, and then these qualitative skills stacked over time.
Speaker:So let me give you a direct quote here from Daniel Chambliss, who says,
Speaker:"Superlative performance, superlative performance, is really a confluence,
Speaker:coming together, of dozens of small skills or activities drilled into habit
Speaker:and fitted together in a synthesized whole." One more time, listen carefully.
Speaker:"Superlative performance" Would you like that?
Speaker:D- I mean, is anybody gonna say, "I don't want superlative performance in my life"?
Speaker:"Is really a confluence, coming together, of dozens of small skills or activities
Speaker:drilled into habit and fitted together in a synthesized whole." So what we assume is
Speaker:excellence is people learning a specific path of skills, stacking them together,
Speaker:and bringing them into one whole.
Speaker:I spoke at an event recently, and it was great.
Speaker:You know, as I, I got a lot of travel coming up, a lot more speaking,
Speaker:but it was great to be back on stage, and, and it was interesting.
Speaker:People really appreciated it, and they're like, "You know, great speech." And I'm
Speaker:like, "Thank you." But it occurred to me, talking to Karen on the way back
Speaker:to the airport, at one point I spent a decade, a decade speaking to about 40,000
Speaker:people a year for 10 years straight.
Speaker:Stage after stage, from big events to remote outback Australian country towns,
Speaker:I, I just kept doing it for a decade.
Speaker:So now if you see me on stage, you're like, "Wow, he is so talented." Friends,
Speaker:y- uh, uh, uh, it's aptitude and then 10 years on the road, and it's now 20, almost
Speaker:25 years really that I've been doing this.
Speaker:So all of this is to encourage you, because I want to disabuse
Speaker:you of the talent myth.
Speaker:I want you to stop thinking that your life is ever meant
Speaker:to just be normal or mediocre.
Speaker:I mean, do you believe in a God or a universe that would basically create
Speaker:this tiny sprinkling of talented people, and the rest of us completely
Speaker:just missed out and got overlooked?
Speaker:I don't think that's how reality works at all.
Speaker:So I wanna encourage you that whatever gift you've been given, and I'm really
Speaker:big on this lately with people, all of us have a unique talent and gift.
Speaker:All of us have a unique talent and gift.
Speaker:And the mundanity of excellence is simply the decision to learn good qualitative
Speaker:improvement in your particular area of excellence, and then form that into habits
Speaker:that you practice regularly and bring those together in a synthesized whole.
Speaker:But if you only take two things from this message today, number one, I
Speaker:want you to surrender the talent myth.
Speaker:I, I, I know your brain's going, "No, I don't, don't agree. I see these amazing
Speaker:people on screen. They do this and they do that." You don't know the backstory.
Speaker:You don't.
Speaker:You don't know the, the, the-- they surely, they might have had some genetic
Speaker:or, uh, um, you know, genetic blessings or they were born a particular place,
Speaker:or then all they had was an aptitude and then some practice and then developing
Speaker:the skills and bringing them together in a synthesized whole over time.
Speaker:And if they can do it, you can do it.
Speaker:And the reason I wanna sell it to you is because when you do it, when
Speaker:you are living in your gift, you bless people, you bless the world.
Speaker:Can you imagine a planet where everybody kinda was operating in their real genius
Speaker:zone, their particular area of blessing?
Speaker:Can you imagine what the world would be like?
Speaker:I mean, how many of us surrender our lives to doing entire careers and lifespans
Speaker:with things that we genuinely dislike?
Speaker:And that is so driven, drilled deep into me that I wanna
Speaker:rescue anybody I can from it.
Speaker:So I guess the summary today is stop looking for the secret to growing your
Speaker:business, to improving your relationships, to getting fit, to losing weight.
Speaker:There actually isn't one.
Speaker:There isn't a super secret, and that is actually the best news
Speaker:that you're gonna get today.
Speaker:The best news you're probably gonna hear today is that there is no super secret to
Speaker:the thing that's most important to you.
Speaker:It's just identifying the habits and patterns, putting them into practice, and
Speaker:doing it over an extended period of time.
Speaker:That's all you have to do.
Speaker:All right, my friends, I hope that's helpful for you.
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Speaker:God bless you, my friend.
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Speaker:I'm your host, Jonathan Doyle.
Speaker:It's been an absolute joy to talk with you today, and you and I
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