Think of the best moment of your life. I’ll bet it wasn’t on a couch.
Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi spent decades asking thousands of people when they felt most alive, and the answer was never passive comfort. Flow — peak experience — arrives when your skill meets a challenge just beyond it: voluntary, stretched effort toward something difficult and worthwhile. The climber on the wall, the surgeon mid-operation, the speaker in front of ten thousand. The disturbing implication: we spend most of our discretionary time on the exact activities least capable of producing our best states, then wonder why leisure leaves us flat. In this episode: the difference between deliberate rest (essential) and passive drift (exhausting), Mozart’s four-year creative explosion after he voluntarily left everything safe, the threshold experiences chapter from my first book, and the ancient echo — Aristotle’s eudaimonia arguing twenty-three centuries early that the good life is not a feeling but an activity: your powers, fully deployed, along lines of excellence.
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Think of the best moment of your life, and I'll bet you it wasn't on a couch.
Speaker:Welcome aboard to The Daily Podcast, my friend.
Speaker:Is it not true that, uh, the greatest moments of your life have probably not
Speaker:involved a large bowl of some delicious treat and a Netflix remote in your hand?
Speaker:Yes, you probably had some good experiences there.
Speaker:I'm sure there's been times of rest and recreation where a couch and
Speaker:popcorn or some other delightful treat and some absorbing entertainment
Speaker:was a special moment for you.
Speaker:But can we agree together, it is highly unlikely, is it not, that at the end of
Speaker:your life you will look back and remember the greatest moments of Netflix binging
Speaker:as the pinnacle of your experience?
Speaker:Because you know the truth that what is most memorable for you in your life
Speaker:will have been those peak experiences when you were doing things that
Speaker:stretched you, that test you-- tested you, that were beautiful, that absorbed
Speaker:you, that took your natural gifts and potential and, and made you work hard
Speaker:to achieve something really memorable.
Speaker:You know this is true, right?
Speaker:Like, can you think of one of the greatest experiences of your life so far, one of
Speaker:the greatest achievements of your life?
Speaker:Try and think just for a second.
Speaker:I'll give you some dead air time.
Speaker:Ready?
Speaker:Greatest experience, memory of your life, uh, where you exerted yourself,
Speaker:where you were performing at your best.
Speaker:Think about it now.
Speaker:What was it?
Speaker:So what I'm gonna suggest to you is that those moments arrive when your unique
Speaker:gifts, talents, and abilities are deployed towards something that tested, absorbed
Speaker:you, or stretched you to your potential.
Speaker:And the irony, of course, is that we spend the vast majority
Speaker:of our life not in those places.
Speaker:So our downtime, our distracted time tends to exha- absorb so much of our time.
Speaker:I'm not talking about rest.
Speaker:I'm a huge advocate of deliberate, purposeful rest.
Speaker:The purpose of rest is to rebuild the architecture of who you are
Speaker:so you can go out and perform at a consistent level and even higher level.
Speaker:So the research is so clear on this.
Speaker:The-- You may have heard of flow states, right?
Speaker:This goes back to the researcher Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, is I
Speaker:think how you pronounce the name.
Speaker:It's one of the hardest names to pronounce in all literature.
Speaker:But his research on peak flow states argued that it arrives when skill,
Speaker:when your skill meets a challenge just beyond it So peak states, the pinnacle
Speaker:moments of our lives arrive when our skills meet challenges that are just
Speaker:beyond the current level of our skill.
Speaker:They are voluntary.
Speaker:It's voluntary, stretched effort towards something difficult and worthwhile.
Speaker:So this is like somebody who might be like a gifted rock climber who
Speaker:suddenly finds themselves in a really challenging situation they haven't
Speaker:done before, or maybe like a, a surgeon doing a really difficult operation.
Speaker:They're halfway through and they're completely absorbed and present in it.
Speaker:Same for maybe musicians or artists.
Speaker:Absorbed, tested, fully deployed.
Speaker:I shared a few epi-episodes ago, the first time I did an audience of 10,000 people
Speaker:plus in a convention center in the US, and I walk out there, I got 10,000 people, and
Speaker:that's one of the greatest experiences I had because it was like 10,000 plus people
Speaker:are staring at you, and you've gotta be there for like 40 minutes and bring it.
Speaker:And it was such a joy, like such an absorbing, memorable experience because,
Speaker:you know, I'd been speaking for many, many years, but it was my, my gifts,
Speaker:my abilities, my preparation, my organization, my energy and effort all
Speaker:coalescing to this one moment that really stretched me to deliver my very best.
Speaker:So the implication of this, so what, what's the opening thesis?
Speaker:Is that the best moments in your life come from deploying your skills just
Speaker:beyond your current level of real comfort.
Speaker:So the s- disturbing implication is that we spend most of our discretionary
Speaker:time on the exact activities least capable of producing our best states.
Speaker:Think of how much time people spend scrolling, streaming, passive consumption
Speaker:of content, then wonder why their leisure leaves them tired or exhausted.
Speaker:You've had that feeling like you've been doom scrolling for two hours and
Speaker:you just feel absolutely exhausted.
Speaker:I remember once being in a, uh, in a hotel room in Austin, Texas, and I was speaking,
Speaker:but my body clock was completely shot because I'd been to America and back to
Speaker:Australia twice in the space of 10 days.
Speaker:So I'd flown from Australia to America, done some speaking, flown
Speaker:back to Australia, turned around a few days later and flown back.
Speaker:And I remember just like scrolling, and I'm just there because I couldn't
Speaker:sleep, and then the scrolling just wipes you out even more, and suddenly
Speaker:you blink and hours have gone.
Speaker:You're like, "What, what, what just, what did I just learn? What, how
Speaker:am I better for this experience?" So we wonder, you know, why these
Speaker:behaviors can leave us exhausted.
Speaker:It's crucial to understand that we just, you know, it wasn't our choice,
Speaker:but we got born at a moment in history where we're not particularly tested.
Speaker:Think about our ancestors.
Speaker:If you didn't do what you had to do, you starved or, you know, life
Speaker:went really badly for you if you weren't constantly pushing yourself
Speaker:to provide, to perform, to do.
Speaker:And we've just got this moment in history where it's really quite different.
Speaker:So if you want an uncommon life If you want to build a really different life, one
Speaker:of the key things is going to be learning to choose, and this is the operative
Speaker:word, choose, to deliberately place yourself in environments and circumstances
Speaker:that push you to take whatever gifts God's given you and exercise
Speaker:them at a higher and higher level.
Speaker:So there's a quote here in my research notes that says, "Optimal experience
Speaker:occurs when the body or mind is stretched to its limits in voluntary effort towards
Speaker:something difficult and worthwhile." These are the great memories of your life.
Speaker:When you place yourself in-- I wrote an entire chapter on this.
Speaker:If you go to your-- p- this pod- any podcast platform you're on, just go
Speaker:to the podcast platform and search Jonathan Doyle, Bridging the Gap.
Speaker:So my free book is there.
Speaker:So I wrote… My first book that I ever wrote covers this exact topic, and the
Speaker:audio version is there for you completely free, Jonathan Doyle, Bridging the Gap.
Speaker:And there's a chapter in there, I can't remember which, I think it might be
Speaker:chapter five, where I talk about these things called threshold experiences,
Speaker:in that the real growth in our life happens when we place ourselves on
Speaker:the threshold of our current level of capacity and go just beyond it.
Speaker:And I want you to also understand, last week I did an episode, I think
Speaker:it's called the Lindy Effect, that the latest information you hear is
Speaker:usually incorrect, which means that the oldest ideas in history are usually
Speaker:the best ones because they've been-- they've had to pass the test of time.
Speaker:And as we talk about this topic, Aristotle, two and a half thousand years
Speaker:ago, was talking about the same thing.
Speaker:Greek philosophy argued that each person had inside them something
Speaker:called a daemon, not a demon, a daemon, which is like source code.
Speaker:It's like software code.
Speaker:And the purpose of the good life in classical philosophy, the virtuous life,
Speaker:was to live, uh, your life as excellently as possible so that this daemon could
Speaker:become fully actualized in the world.
Speaker:You know what this means?
Speaker:The Greeks argued that if you lived in a particular way, you would become
Speaker:the fullest possible expression of what you could become, and they
Speaker:called it becoming a eudaimon.
Speaker:And the process was eudaimonia, living in such a way that your
Speaker:unique gifts, talents, and abilities were unleashed over time.
Speaker:And the path of that was excellence, was to choose circumstances, behaviors
Speaker:that would force you to become the fullness of what you could become.
Speaker:So this is a very ancient idea.
Speaker:So when you see modern s- sort of researchers and scientists saying,
Speaker:"Yeah, human flourishing seems to happen when people voluntarily choose to be
Speaker:tested and have their skills really pushed," and you have a philosopher two
Speaker:and a half thousand years before that scientist saying exactly the same thing,
Speaker:maybe there's something in that for us.
Speaker:So- I would like to ask you, where are you being pushed?
Speaker:Where are you choosing to use your skills, gifts, talents, and abilities
Speaker:in ways that genuinely test you, not just that are comfortable for you?
Speaker:So many great musicians, artists, athletes deliberately push themselves
Speaker:into circumstances that really test them.
Speaker:I was reading deeply, uh, recently about Mozart, and Mozart, who we'd all
Speaker:recognize one of the greatest talents in history, had this moment in his 20s
Speaker:when he finally decided to break with his father, and he went out on his own
Speaker:and pushed himself into a whole new city with new people and new pressures, and
Speaker:he had the most f- phenomenal creative burst that lasted about four years
Speaker:because he voluntarily placed himself in a new situation where his skills
Speaker:and talents would be truly tested.
Speaker:So you can see this pattern that the great men and women of history often just
Speaker:make choices that force them to grow.
Speaker:It's an amazing thing about being human, you know, uh, that we have
Speaker:this invitation, this possibility, and we-- and many people don't take it up.
Speaker:You can choose to be very passive.
Speaker:You can choose to live your life in a comfort zone, or you can say to
Speaker:yourself, "No, I'm good at this thing.
Speaker:Where do I go where it's a bit harder?" In my own career, you know, I've constantly
Speaker:sought more and more challenging speaking and coaching environments,
Speaker:constantly trying to push myself.
Speaker:Every day I'm in the gym, no matter how tired I am, I'm always trying to
Speaker:just make myself go hard on the thing that need-- I need to go hard on.
Speaker:It's a mindset, it's a belief, it's a passion, and the results
Speaker:over time are quite extraordinary.
Speaker:So please take the simple message from this.
Speaker:Where are you being tested?
Speaker:What are your unique gifts?
Speaker:When did you last choose to test yourself?
Speaker:When did you last choose to test yourself?
Speaker:Okay, because life will send us enough hardship, but we can also choose to
Speaker:grow by choosing the circumstances and environments that we place ourselves in.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Come and say hello on Instagram.
Speaker:I'm @jdoylespeaks.
Speaker:You can find me on YouTube, Jonathan Doyle Speaks, and
Speaker:everything else is on the website, jonathandoyle.co.co.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Go test yourself.
Speaker:Here's our final thought for the day: Comfort is fine, but nobody
Speaker:ever described the best moment of their life as comfortable.
Speaker:Go and stretch and test yourself.