Think of the best moment of your life. I’ll bet it wasn’t on a couch.

Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi spent decades asking thousands of people when they felt most alive, and the answer was never passive comfort. Flow — peak experience — arrives when your skill meets a challenge just beyond it: voluntary, stretched effort toward something difficult and worthwhile. The climber on the wall, the surgeon mid-operation, the speaker in front of ten thousand. The disturbing implication: we spend most of our discretionary time on the exact activities least capable of producing our best states, then wonder why leisure leaves us flat. In this episode: the difference between deliberate rest (essential) and passive drift (exhausting), Mozart’s four-year creative explosion after he voluntarily left everything safe, the threshold experiences chapter from my first book, and the ancient echo — Aristotle’s eudaimonia arguing twenty-three centuries early that the good life is not a feeling but an activity: your powers, fully deployed, along lines of excellence.

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Think of the best moment of your life, and I'll bet you it wasn't on a couch.

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Welcome aboard to The Daily Podcast, my friend.

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Is it not true that, uh, the greatest moments of your life have probably not

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involved a large bowl of some delicious treat and a Netflix remote in your hand?

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Yes, you probably had some good experiences there.

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I'm sure there's been times of rest and recreation where a couch and

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popcorn or some other delightful treat and some absorbing entertainment

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was a special moment for you.

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But can we agree together, it is highly unlikely, is it not, that at the end of

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your life you will look back and remember the greatest moments of Netflix binging

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as the pinnacle of your experience?

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Because you know the truth that what is most memorable for you in your life

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will have been those peak experiences when you were doing things that

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stretched you, that test you-- tested you, that were beautiful, that absorbed

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you, that took your natural gifts and potential and, and made you work hard

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to achieve something really memorable.

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You know this is true, right?

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Like, can you think of one of the greatest experiences of your life so far, one of

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the greatest achievements of your life?

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Try and think just for a second.

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I'll give you some dead air time.

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Ready?

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Greatest experience, memory of your life, uh, where you exerted yourself,

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where you were performing at your best.

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Think about it now.

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What was it?

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So what I'm gonna suggest to you is that those moments arrive when your unique

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gifts, talents, and abilities are deployed towards something that tested, absorbed

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you, or stretched you to your potential.

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And the irony, of course, is that we spend the vast majority

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of our life not in those places.

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So our downtime, our distracted time tends to exha- absorb so much of our time.

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I'm not talking about rest.

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I'm a huge advocate of deliberate, purposeful rest.

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The purpose of rest is to rebuild the architecture of who you are

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so you can go out and perform at a consistent level and even higher level.

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So the research is so clear on this.

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The-- You may have heard of flow states, right?

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This goes back to the researcher Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, is I

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think how you pronounce the name.

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It's one of the hardest names to pronounce in all literature.

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But his research on peak flow states argued that it arrives when skill,

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when your skill meets a challenge just beyond it So peak states, the pinnacle

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moments of our lives arrive when our skills meet challenges that are just

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beyond the current level of our skill.

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They are voluntary.

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It's voluntary, stretched effort towards something difficult and worthwhile.

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So this is like somebody who might be like a gifted rock climber who

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suddenly finds themselves in a really challenging situation they haven't

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done before, or maybe like a, a surgeon doing a really difficult operation.

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They're halfway through and they're completely absorbed and present in it.

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Same for maybe musicians or artists.

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Absorbed, tested, fully deployed.

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I shared a few epi-episodes ago, the first time I did an audience of 10,000 people

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plus in a convention center in the US, and I walk out there, I got 10,000 people, and

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that's one of the greatest experiences I had because it was like 10,000 plus people

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are staring at you, and you've gotta be there for like 40 minutes and bring it.

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And it was such a joy, like such an absorbing, memorable experience because,

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you know, I'd been speaking for many, many years, but it was my, my gifts,

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my abilities, my preparation, my organization, my energy and effort all

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coalescing to this one moment that really stretched me to deliver my very best.

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So the implication of this, so what, what's the opening thesis?

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Is that the best moments in your life come from deploying your skills just

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beyond your current level of real comfort.

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So the s- disturbing implication is that we spend most of our discretionary

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time on the exact activities least capable of producing our best states.

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Think of how much time people spend scrolling, streaming, passive consumption

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of content, then wonder why their leisure leaves them tired or exhausted.

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You've had that feeling like you've been doom scrolling for two hours and

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you just feel absolutely exhausted.

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I remember once being in a, uh, in a hotel room in Austin, Texas, and I was speaking,

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but my body clock was completely shot because I'd been to America and back to

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Australia twice in the space of 10 days.

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So I'd flown from Australia to America, done some speaking, flown

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back to Australia, turned around a few days later and flown back.

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And I remember just like scrolling, and I'm just there because I couldn't

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sleep, and then the scrolling just wipes you out even more, and suddenly

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you blink and hours have gone.

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You're like, "What, what, what just, what did I just learn? What, how

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am I better for this experience?" So we wonder, you know, why these

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behaviors can leave us exhausted.

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It's crucial to understand that we just, you know, it wasn't our choice,

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but we got born at a moment in history where we're not particularly tested.

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Think about our ancestors.

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If you didn't do what you had to do, you starved or, you know, life

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went really badly for you if you weren't constantly pushing yourself

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to provide, to perform, to do.

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And we've just got this moment in history where it's really quite different.

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So if you want an uncommon life If you want to build a really different life, one

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of the key things is going to be learning to choose, and this is the operative

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word, choose, to deliberately place yourself in environments and circumstances

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that push you to take whatever gifts God's given you and exercise

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them at a higher and higher level.

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So there's a quote here in my research notes that says, "Optimal experience

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occurs when the body or mind is stretched to its limits in voluntary effort towards

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something difficult and worthwhile." These are the great memories of your life.

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When you place yourself in-- I wrote an entire chapter on this.

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If you go to your-- p- this pod- any podcast platform you're on, just go

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to the podcast platform and search Jonathan Doyle, Bridging the Gap.

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So my free book is there.

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So I wrote… My first book that I ever wrote covers this exact topic, and the

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audio version is there for you completely free, Jonathan Doyle, Bridging the Gap.

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And there's a chapter in there, I can't remember which, I think it might be

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chapter five, where I talk about these things called threshold experiences,

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in that the real growth in our life happens when we place ourselves on

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the threshold of our current level of capacity and go just beyond it.

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And I want you to also understand, last week I did an episode, I think

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it's called the Lindy Effect, that the latest information you hear is

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usually incorrect, which means that the oldest ideas in history are usually

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the best ones because they've been-- they've had to pass the test of time.

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And as we talk about this topic, Aristotle, two and a half thousand years

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ago, was talking about the same thing.

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Greek philosophy argued that each person had inside them something

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called a daemon, not a demon, a daemon, which is like source code.

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It's like software code.

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And the purpose of the good life in classical philosophy, the virtuous life,

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was to live, uh, your life as excellently as possible so that this daemon could

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become fully actualized in the world.

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You know what this means?

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The Greeks argued that if you lived in a particular way, you would become

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the fullest possible expression of what you could become, and they

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called it becoming a eudaimon.

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And the process was eudaimonia, living in such a way that your

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unique gifts, talents, and abilities were unleashed over time.

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And the path of that was excellence, was to choose circumstances, behaviors

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that would force you to become the fullness of what you could become.

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So this is a very ancient idea.

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So when you see modern s- sort of researchers and scientists saying,

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"Yeah, human flourishing seems to happen when people voluntarily choose to be

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tested and have their skills really pushed," and you have a philosopher two

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and a half thousand years before that scientist saying exactly the same thing,

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maybe there's something in that for us.

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So- I would like to ask you, where are you being pushed?

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Where are you choosing to use your skills, gifts, talents, and abilities

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in ways that genuinely test you, not just that are comfortable for you?

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So many great musicians, artists, athletes deliberately push themselves

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into circumstances that really test them.

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I was reading deeply, uh, recently about Mozart, and Mozart, who we'd all

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recognize one of the greatest talents in history, had this moment in his 20s

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when he finally decided to break with his father, and he went out on his own

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and pushed himself into a whole new city with new people and new pressures, and

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he had the most f- phenomenal creative burst that lasted about four years

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because he voluntarily placed himself in a new situation where his skills

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and talents would be truly tested.

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So you can see this pattern that the great men and women of history often just

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make choices that force them to grow.

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It's an amazing thing about being human, you know, uh, that we have

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this invitation, this possibility, and we-- and many people don't take it up.

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You can choose to be very passive.

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You can choose to live your life in a comfort zone, or you can say to

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yourself, "No, I'm good at this thing.

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Where do I go where it's a bit harder?" In my own career, you know, I've constantly

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sought more and more challenging speaking and coaching environments,

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constantly trying to push myself.

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Every day I'm in the gym, no matter how tired I am, I'm always trying to

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just make myself go hard on the thing that need-- I need to go hard on.

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It's a mindset, it's a belief, it's a passion, and the results

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over time are quite extraordinary.

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So please take the simple message from this.

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Where are you being tested?

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What are your unique gifts?

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When did you last choose to test yourself?

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When did you last choose to test yourself?

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Okay, because life will send us enough hardship, but we can also choose to

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grow by choosing the circumstances and environments that we place ourselves in.

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All right.

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Come and say hello on Instagram.

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I'm @jdoylespeaks.

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You can find me on YouTube, Jonathan Doyle Speaks, and

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everything else is on the website, jonathandoyle.co.co.

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All right.

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Go test yourself.

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Here's our final thought for the day: Comfort is fine, but nobody

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ever described the best moment of their life as comfortable.

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Go and stretch and test yourself.

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